by Keith Donald

This is where our community must step in and set that manager straight. J2EE is not in a state of chaos. There are simply more good choices for J2EE infrastructure than ever before. And from what I've experienced, there are many more J2EE success stories. Second, these "alternative" frameworks absolutely do not "reinvent the wheel in open source." They all build on standard J2EE services to improve developer productivity; they are not replacements for the platform.

(Novarese, etc: yes, this is "our" Keith Donald)

I've never heard anyone sound more like a product of hale. sounds like keith is still a little turd.

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