Over on the Apache Struts Development list server discussions have been going on about the proposals for Struts 2.0 (aka "Shale"), in concert with this we have Erwin Vervaet's Spring Web Flows recently announced. All of this has got me to thinking. What do we really need from a Controller? We have a lot of competing frameworks out there, each with a world view and enthusiastic user base, is this a race that needs to be won or has no-one defined the finish line yet